DOHERTY FUN FACTS

Milo Ferlicker · Veteran Member

DOHERTY FUN FACTS

AntisystemicMovements · Veteran Member

The U of S is going to give the public access to the park as much as they give access to their computers and resources in the library.

You're going to:

1. Pay to park. And Lord knows that if you park without an 80 dollar or so U of S parking decal they will ticket you. (BTW, can someone explain how a private institution has the right to fine people?)

2. You're hours are going to be limited or such that it will be extremely inconvenient and down right useless for local organized leagues to use the SS complex. For instance, there is going to be heavy competition between teams and leagues on who/when they get to use it.

3. Pay to play. There will be fees for the organizations. In the beginning the fees will be low until the political storm cloud blows over. Then, all of a sudden. BAM: Organizations are going to be forced to pay their fair share. And lord knows the dumb ass public will agree with the U of S-- an organization that never paid their fair share of anything. Then, in a few years, it will be the U of S that organizes the softball games. That way, no body 2 or 3 nodes outside the Denaples-Irish Catholic network can play.

4. Your usage will be HEAVILY monitored. I know from experience the U of S librarians watch every little move you make. I can imagine how the U of S is going to monitor subversive ball players.

5. NO coolers with alcoholic beverage will be tolerated. That goes for lieutenant Dunn, Scranton police officers, and those awarded those get out of jail free cards too. The U of S doesn't stand for alcohol. It has a zero tolerance policy for alcohol--except when it is their students who are trashed and causing trouble. Then police or U of S security cover it up.

I am sure I can go on and on about the inequalities and the down right corruption involved with the South Side complex. I seriously reiterate the point that people from the sale of the south side complex should organize and educate the public in lackwanna and luzerne counties of the dirty little deeds the jesuits are into. Look at the paper and the inflated gpa dean's list students and look at how many are from Lackawanna county. I believe if the students and their parents knew of the **** U of S was into they would consider other colleges.

Stewey · Veteran Member

AntisystemicMovements wrote:

The U of S is going to give the public access to the park as much as they give access to their computers and resources in the library. You're going to: 1. Pay to park. And Lord knows that if you park without an 80 dollar or so U of S parking decal they will ticket you. (BTW, can someone explain how a private institution has the right to fine people?) 2. You're hours are going to be limited or such that it will be extremely inconvenient and down right useless for local organized leagues to use the SS complex. For instance, there is going to be heavy competition between teams and leagues on who/when they get to use it. 3. Pay to play. There will be fees for the organizations. In the beginning the fees will be low until the political storm cloud blows over. Then, all of a sudden. BAM: Organizations are going to be forced to pay their fair share. And lord knows the dumb ass public will agree with the U of S-- an organization that never paid their fair share of anything. Then, in a few years, it will be the U of S that organizes the softball games. That way, no body 2 or 3 nodes outside the Denaples-Irish Catholic network can play. 4. Your usage will be HEAVILY monitored. I know from experience the U of S librarians watch every little move you make. I can imagine how the U of S is going to monitor subversive ball players. 5. NO coolers with alcoholic beverage will be tolerated. That goes for lieutenant Dunn, Scranton police officers, and those awarded those get out of jail free cards too. The U of S doesn't stand for alcohol. It has a zero tolerance policy for alcohol--except when it is their students who are trashed and causing trouble. Then police or U of S security cover it up. I am sure I can go on and on about the inequalities and the down right corruption involved with the South Side complex. I seriously reiterate the point that people from the sale of the south side complex should organize and educate the public in lackwanna and luzerne counties of the dirty little deeds the jesuits are into. Look at the paper and the inflated gpa dean's list students and look at how many are from Lackawanna county. I believe if the students and their parents knew of the **** U of S was into they would consider other colleges.

I am looking forward to the sale being completed. The improvements for the existing fields, as well as the new construction of a playground, basketball court and soccer field will be a welcomed sight. This will be 1st class fields and WILL be accesable for all.

Pay to park? THere is no evidence to support that charge. Pure nonsense.

The field will be open from May-September , for all to use.

Your hatred towards the UOFS blinds you.

AntisystemicMovements · Veteran Member

You look forward to the sale? You sound like a company goon like Pilarz. If an improved park is what you wanted then you ought to ask Doherty why he didn't use the millions upon millions that he barrowed to do something wtih the park.

No evidence of pay to park--are you a retard? Have you ever tried to park in ANYlot that the U of S owns without a decal?

The field will NOT be for all to use. There will be limits. If they didn't want to impose limits why buy (more like STEAL) the park? If U of S wanted to just improve it they would have donated money and looked like a hero. They didn't donate money and they aren't the hero. They want to strictly LIMIT its usage, thus they bought it.

No, your order is wrong. I finally opened my eyes and I saw behind the myth, the facade that the U of S puts up. After seeing what really exists I now realize that I hate the U of S for being a drain on this city like most other well connected businesses in the Irish-Catholic/Denaples Network..

Stewey · Veteran Member

AntisystemicMovements wrote:

You look forward to the sale? You sound like a company goon like Pilarz. If an improved park is what you wanted then you ought to ask Doherty why he didn't use the millions upon millions that he barrowed to do something wtih the park. No evidence of pay to park--are you a retard? Have you ever tried to park in ANYlot that the U of S owns without a decal? The field will NOT be for all to use. There will be limits. If they didn't want to impose limits why buy (more like STEAL) the park? If U of S wanted to just improve it they would have donated money and looked like a hero. They didn't donate money and they aren't the hero. They want to strictly LIMIT its usage, thus they bought it. No, your order is wrong. I finally opened my eyes and I saw behind the myth, the facade that the U of S puts up. After seeing what really exists I now realize that I hate the U of S for being a drain on this city like most other well connected businesses in the Irish-Catholic/Denaples Network..

They are not going to charge people to park. It is an athletic field, they don;t have the parking crunch that they do up on the hill.

NIce to see you can argue without lobbing personal insults.

They donate money to lackwanna county and Scranton are a regular basis. So when does the field come into the UOFS possesion?

AntisystemicMovements · Veteran Member

Stewey wrote:

AntisystemicMovements wrote:

They are not going to charge people to park. It is an athletic field, they don;t have the parking crunch that they do up on the hill.

NIce to see you can argue without lobbing personal insults.

They donate money to lackwanna county and Scranton are a regular basis. So when does the field come into the UOFS possesion?

I'm sorry to insult you but you come off as a company goon when say that you look forward to the sale. Chris Phillips--along with MANY other outspoken residents--has debunked the lies and myths that the U of S and Doherty purport about the park and the excuse for its sale. SS complex is a PUBLIC park for residents of the city--not to mention it was dedicated to somebody in remembrance,. Now, the park is sold to the U of S as a part of a great enclosure--DPW, Golf Course, SS complex, pool fees, etc., In other words, citizens are being thrown off their land in the name of privatization, social justice and the Jesuit U of S tradition. Then we're told that this is inevitable if we want progress.

I'd like to see how much a year the U of S donates to the Scranton and Lackawanna County. Second, I'd like to see who gets what and what that money is supposed to go for. Can you reply with any type of website that says who the U of S donates to? I've checked before, but apparently you're more familiar.

If I am not mistaking U of S have Lackawanna county books in their library. Not many people know that one can actually use an Albright library card to check out U of S books. U of S librarians outright discourages non-student patrons.

As for parking decals, my reasoning is this: Every other parking lot that U of S owns requires that a vehicle be registered with U of S and a decal be placed on the car. Lord knows that the U of S is going to do everything they can to keep out the average citizen—just like they do in their library.

It is becoming increasingly clear to me Scranton is the U of S’s city and we’re allowed to live in it so long as we subsidize their existence. It is as if we OWE the U of S a free ride for all that it does in the name of so-called social justice. Today, the yuppies that go there are the centre and subject of Scranton’s history. Ok yuppies, you win. With your vision and progress Scranton will take off like U.S. after WW2. Please take us along.

Stewey · Veteran Member

UOFS has given roughly half a million to the county since 1990. I will be back later with some concrete numbers.

Schlomoe · Member

Ok, to address a few things here. There is something wrong with "Denaples-Irish Catholic" I shouldn't have to tell you what. Considering the context it was used in, and being and "Irish Catholic" I'm a bit offended. Secondly, there is no lieutenant Dunn in the Scranton Police Department. The City of Scranton does NOT permit the use of alchohol at ANY of it's parks. The South Side complex is the MOST heavily used sports complex in the city. It is probably the most heavily used park in the city. I'm sorry, but considering that there are only 209 thousand people in lackawanna county, I have a hard time buying into the 500,000 attendance at Nay Aug park. The sale should have gone to a referendum. I am opposed to it. This has nothing to do with me being against the U of S. Truthfully, I don't really have any issue with them. I also don't blame them for going after it. If they do get the complex it's pretty much a given that their activities will take a priority there. I do not use the U of S or the South Side complex, so I don't really have any stake in this issue. If you just look at it from a common sense point of view, it doesn't add up. Just my thoughts.

Poor unconnected Irish Catholic

5th generation Scrantonian,

Schlomoe

Stewey · Veteran Member

The University of Scranton Makes Voluntary Contribution to County
Posted 6 May 2005

The University of Scranton recently presented Lackawanna County with its annual voluntary contribution of $58,500. Since 1989, the university’s voluntary contributions to the county have totaled more than $500,000. Standing, from left, are: Lackawanna County Commissioner Robert Cordaro and University of Scranton President Rev. Scott R. Pilarz, S

I dont know why we are getting so worked up over this issue, the sale has taken years!

Schlomoe · Member

I'm sorry, but I fail to see the value of the last post. The U of S gives money where they will get a return out of it. I don't blame them for that. They are a non profit organization, and they take full advantage of that. They are NOT the only ones to do this. I'm pretty sure that they are not giving 58,000 dollars to the county out of a sense of civic duty. People can complain about the hill section, but I walked through there 15 years ago, before the proliferation of the U of S began. It was NOT a nice place. Anywhere you have a large population of kids around the age of 20, your going to have some problems. This is a city, an urban area. The closer your pack people the more issues you will have. You can avoid all of this by moving to a rural area. In any event, not that they have to, but I do not believe the U of S has made a cash contribution to the City of Scranton since the new administration has come to office. Regardless, I'm sure that they will turn the South Side Complex into a fantastic place that is not only pleasing to the eye, but usefull as well. The U of S keeps their properties very well, you would have a hard time saying they don't. However, I'm still against the sale. It is of NO benefit to the taxpayer. The facility was not built to make money. The complex is one reason we pay taxes, and choose to live in Scranton. Nay Aug park is not going to save the city and draw companies here, it does little to bolster the economy. It also looks like the economic engine driving the downtown revitalization has just thrown a rod. We can sit here and banter back and forth about this, but it doesn't solve anything. I think most are pretty salted in their postions on these issues. Everyone has an angle. I just try to look at things with an open mind no matter how they affect me directly, and vote.

Poor unconnected Irish-catholic crying in his meat pie,

Schlomoe

ciao!

AntisystemicMovements · Veteran Member

Schlomoe wrote:

Ok, to address a few things here. There is something wrong with "Denaples-Irish Catholic" I shouldn't have to tell you what. Considering the context it was used in, and being and "Irish Catholic" I'm a bit offended. Secondly, there is no lieutenant Dunn in the Scranton Police Department. The City of Scranton does NOT permit the use of alchohol at ANY of it's parks. The South Side complex is the MOST heavily used sports complex in the city. It is probably the most heavily used park in the city. I'm sorry, but considering that there are only 209 thousand people in lackawanna county, I have a hard time buying into the 500,000 attendance at Nay Aug park. The sale should have gone to a referendum. I am opposed to it. This has nothing to do with me being against the U of S. Truthfully, I don't really have any issue with them. I also don't blame them for going after it. If they do get the complex it's pretty much a given that their activities will take a priority there. I do not use the U of S or the South Side complex, so I don't really have any stake in this issue. If you just look at it from a common sense point of view, it doesn't add up. Just my thoughts.
Poor unconnected Irish Catholic
5th generation Scrantonian,
Schlomoe

I agree. There is a lot wrong with the Denaples-Irish Catholic connection. You should be offended (in that you're not getting any of the spoils). They are network(s) of exclusion. They are not the same although they share very simular interests. I can name plenty of examples: Look at how many of the teachers/administrators are involved in Scranton politics. Gary D, former School Board directory. Janet Evans worked on the school board and she is currently a teacher. McTeirnan is a School administrator with a proven record of being a yes man. They are Irish Catholic--save for Gary. Look at Tom "loves to exploit prison labor" Gilhooley and his high position with the county. If me or you commited the crimes that man commited we would be in Graterford. Not good ol' Boy Tommy. My point is that we (taxpayers) are being exploited by a network; a revolving door of RECYCLED politicians/local business leaders. John Pocious is the poster boy for recycled politician. And I suspect that Kevin Murphy's ugly head is bound to pop up again.

And then there is this TALK of diversity by a panel of IDIOTS on 61. The solutions that are tossed around are a celebration, a mural and a few other pieces of art. In no way would they even talk about something as subversive as having a non-Irish Catholic/non-node in the network run the city. Scranton’s "diversity" is embarrassing. By the way, channel 61 has been co-opted. They're running a whole host of shows to combat the subversive messages of 61: From the Mayor's office, that criminal justice show, those stupid panel shows, and those shows with the yuppies that thank the Mayor for having art and music at Nay Aug that nobody likes.

Note how many nodes of the network are U of S grads (although Scranton school teachers are increasingly Marywood grads--which is the same thing because U of S and Marywood are networked). It seems to me that Scranton and the county protect the U of S because it is the U of S that are training/introducing tomorrow’s network of exclusion.

This may sound crazy-- and it may sound like some conspiracy theory. But it's not. Look at the background of all our politicians. Look at how many Mayor's we've had that are Irish-Catholic. Look at all the Irish Judges. Then look at the Prison demographic.

As for the U of S's donations: I am NOT impressed with 500,000 since 1989. That is a 16 year span. U of S has a 100 million dollar endowment--(sitting in Denaples bank?). U of S take library resources from the county -- to what extent I am not positive. U of S exploit the city for all it can--despite the media campaign that purports equality and social justice. (Note the extensive coverage of U o f S students and their canned food drives). The U of S is one of THE biggest drug markets in this city.

I can go on and on about the inequality in this town. But it falls on deaf ears. Scranton's residents are a sack of potatoes and they believe the hype. The yuppies and their art are the subject of history and the savior of this city. We just reside here.

Scranton's new slogan: "Pay to Swim (in the name of public safety), but the Concerts at Nay Aug are free!"

Stewey · Veteran Member

that is to the county, they don't owe the county anything. I wonder how much Marywood donates, or Wilkes donates to Luzerne county.

Schlomoe · Member

Well, truthfully I don't really have a problem with DeNaples, Catholics, Irish, or the U of S. What they do in the daily operations of their organizations has little or no effect on me. I can tell you that the university is not a big player in the drug trade in Scranton. All you have to do is look at where the drug arrests are made. There are ALOT of them made. Between the Scranton Police, County, and State organizations. Scranton Police has a drug unit that is very in tune with what moves through the city. It is rather easy to sit on the outside and say it can be run better, but I'd rather leave it up to the folks in the trenches. However, I do see that some people here have alot of issues with these organizations. So, with so much venom on the issue. Offer up some solutions. As the old saying goes. If you aren't part of the solution, your part of the problem. There is alot of effort put into citing these problems (although, I see that some of it is misinformation). Lets see what everyone can come up with that is constructive.

Poor, unconnected, and stress free Irish Catholic,

Schlomoe

Vernon Wormer · Member

I'll offer you a solution:

How about having the U pay taxes? or they just send the city one million dollars every year as an in kind payment? Sounds like an easy fix to me, and one hell of a solution. Also force the other cronies you mentioned to pay thier taxes.

AntisystemicMovements · Veteran Member

Stewey wrote:

that is to the county, they don't owe the county anything. I wonder how much Marywood donates, or Wilkes donates to Luzerne county.

IIRC Wilkes pays taxes.

AntisystemicMovements · Veteran Member

Schlomoe wrote:

Well, truthfully I don't really have a problem with DeNaples, Catholics, Irish, or the U of S. What they do in the daily operations of their organizations has little or no effect on me. I can tell you that the university is not a big player in the drug trade in Scranton. All you have to do is look at where the drug arrests are made. There are ALOT of them made. Between the Scranton Police, County, and State organizations. Scranton Police has a drug unit that is very in tune with what moves through the city. It is rather easy to sit on the outside and say it can be run better, but I'd rather leave it up to the folks in the trenches. However, I do see that some people here have alot of issues with these organizations. So, with so much venom on the issue. Offer up some solutions. As the old saying goes. If you aren't part of the solution, your part of the problem. There is alot of effort put into citing these problems (although, I see that some of it is misinformation). Lets see what everyone can come up with that is constructive.
Poor, unconnected, and stress free Irish Catholic,
Schlomoe

Of course YOU don't have a problem. You're a passive sack of potatoes.

As for my drug market comment.I stand by that comment. Drugs are everywhere on campus (mainly pot, and increaingly heroin). (Why is it that people are convinved that high schools are loaded with drugs but no the U of S?!) Let's face it: Drug dealers are merchant capitalists. Drug dealers want to exploit the yuppies at the U of S for all they can as much as local employers and local stores do. Furthermore, looking at where arrests are made is not a great indicator of all the drug activity in the city or county or state. Scranton's police unit target certain populations and geographical areas-- U of S demographic not a part of it. U of S use their own security and they have enclosed that territory in same way they're taking over the SS complex. Also, If you police a certain population they will no doubt get arrested for more crimes more frequently. For instance, in my middle class neighborhood cocaine is rampant. But you will rarely see the cops pulling any of them over. And if they do happened to get pulled over (which is rare) they have one of those get out of jail free cards anyhow. In other words, in Scranton if you drive a BMW (or a newer car) and wear a suit (or look clean cut) you don't get asked to step out of the car while the car is searched--- other people aren't that lucky.

Lastly, KNOWING that there IS a problem is the beginning of a solution. Speaking of old sayings, I think we should look no further than AA and their wisdom when they say "you have to admit you have a problem before anyone can help you." The reason you think that critics of the NETWORK are part of the problem is because you're a company goon--a goon that isn't even on the payroll! And if you're implying that it OUGHT to be as corrupt as it is or that the corruption is inevitable then you're crazy. The corruption is NOT inevitable or natural, and the ones holding the power aren't the most qualified-- they're only the most connected. Overall, Scranton is not the best of all possible worlds.

Schlomoe · Member

Ah, I'm not so passive. I don't disagree that there is a drug market at the U of S. There is a drug market EVERYWHERE. It's not the heart of the durg problem in the city. I'm not disputing that there are issues. I don't run around waving a U of S banner at all events. Like I said, I oppose the sale of the south side complex. I only asked that someone offer up some solutions to the obvious problems.

Vernon Wormer · Member

Schlomoe wrote:

Ah, I'm not so passive. I don't disagree that there is a drug market at the U of S. There is a drug market EVERYWHERE. It's not the heart of the durg problem in the city. I'm not disputing that there are issues. I don't run around waving a U of S banner at all events. Like I said, I oppose the sale of the south side complex. I only asked that someone offer up some solutions to the obvious problems.

I already geve you a solution! Make them pay taxes! There is nothing non-profit about the U.

conorsdad · Veteran Member

AntisystemicMovements wrote:

Look at the background of all our politicians. Look at how many Mayor's we've had that are Irish-Catholic. Look at all the Irish Judges. Then look at the Prison demographic.

Did it ever occur to you that a majority of the population around here are of irish descent??

It really seems your paranoia is a problem. Do you have nighmares about the Jesuits from the U of S coming to get you? Take a step back, take a deep breath, relax, and enjoy life. All that hatred will eat at you.

AntisystemicMovements · Veteran Member

conorsdad wrote:

AntisystemicMovements wrote:
Look at the background of all our politicians. Look at how many Mayor's we've had that are Irish-Catholic. Look at all the Irish Judges. Then look at the Prison demographic.

Did it ever occur to you that a majority of the population around here are of irish descent??
It really seems your paranoia is a problem. Do you have nighmares about the Jesuits from the U of S coming to get you? Take a step back, take a deep breath, relax, and enjoy life. All that hatred will eat at you.

I'm not convinced that they are the majority in this city-- I would first like to see census or some other data that supports that anecdotal claim.. However, I can see how one would come to that conclusion based on the Irish flags everywhere down town and the last name of all the politicians. I agree that it is as if they are the majority, i.e. they act like they are the majority.

I'm not paranoid. They hire their friends; they marry each other; they discriminate and they act like they are the most qualified for the job. So much for diversity, they don't even like protestants!.

Stewey · Veteran Member

Can we get a number with a source on the UOFS' ENDOWMENT?

Thank you.

AntisystemicMovements · Veteran Member

Stewey wrote:

Can we get a number with a source on the UOFS' ENDOWMENT?

Thank you.

This is the site where it is posted but for some reason it is not working.
http://academic.scranton.edu/department/factbook/

IIRC it is 100 million (that is back in 2001). I would bet it is more than that now. But check the website and see if any of their PDF's open.

Stewey · Veteran Member

Finances FY 2004

Revenues
$124,723,345

Operating Expenses
$124,723,345

Endowments, market value (as of 5/31/03)
$89,160,432

FYI.

So when does Walsh make a decision? THIS ISN'T BRAIN SURGERY!

Milo Ferlicker · Veteran Member

Stewey · Veteran Member

Chris Phillips in a letter to the editor. He sounds defeated, maybe he knows what ruling is coming down..