I was really surprised to see that the Doherty camp went negative this weekend. Do you think they are seeing themselves as losing and that is why they are trying to make up points by tearing their opponent down or do you think he is ahead and just trying to put the final nail in Dibileo's coffin?
Another question I would like to ask (that I forgot to) is what do you think of the claims that Dibileo was cutting Police and Fire in the commercial? I was under the impression that the public safety unions were supporting Dibileo so it seems to me that the insinuation in the commercial wouldn't really resonate with anyone. Just a thought...and yours?
But what do you think will be the outcome of Doherty running negative ads? DO you think it looks like desperation on his part or do you think that it will score points for him?
A negative ad is a sign of three things. 1. That they are republican. 2. A sign of weakness 3. a sign of a close election if the incumbent is doing it. Its a mix of the three for Doherty.
How can Chris go negative on Gary? What bad things can one say about Gary? All I can think of is that he is a west sider and he sells insurance. Oh and I'm sure some will take offense to Gary being non-Irish.
Chris on the other hand makes profit off of selling sacred religious items and has made YOUR public parks a money making machine. Chris Doherty, a faithful believer of neoliberal policy, would put his mother on the market in Nevada.
The important point is that the PR/media campaign works. Are the citizens in Scranton a passive, dooped bunch of drones that believe whatever they're told? To some degree yes. But we have to account for the president of the local Teamsters boasting a Doherty campaign sign on the back of his truck and at his house. (his wife's city job is on the line. What a faithful labor man). We also have to look at the ways in which the Doherty campaign is coercing people into supporting him (at least publicly. He is in for shockers when he realizes that people he thought were on his team are really voting for Gary. There's a lot of two faced people just like Chris)
That they are republican? Have you ever been in a NEPA campaign? Everyone uses mitchell (including Doherty this time around) and he does the same black and white negative ads every single campaign. He did the same thing with Pat Casey in 98 and 00. The republicans take the high ground and allow the democrats to destroy themselves and eat their young. Can you tell me of a negative ad Sherwood ran against Pat Casey? No, because he refused to run them. Can you tell me of a single attack piece or ad that Brian Reap ran? No, because he refused to do them. Your stereotype just doesn't work in NEPA. You guys use mitchell, he goes negative, and it backfires on you. How many times do you do the same thing over and over again and still expect a different outcome?
Please. A contrast piece is different than a negative ad. Unfounded accusations and insinuations are negative. If you can recall a republican ad in the last election cycle that was not a contrast piece but was filled with unfounded accusations and insinuations, please tell me which one it was. Oh, and make sure it was an ad by the candidate not some 527 somewhere. Like when they morphed Bush into Hitler, that was a democrat 527 and it was negative. That is not what I am talking about. Please back up your statement with some examples.
quote: Originally posted by: Mr Wolfe the Cleaner "Please. A contrast piece is different than a negative ad. Unfounded accusations and insinuations are negative. If you can recall a republican ad in the last election cycle that was not a contrast piece but was filled with unfounded accusations and insinuations, please tell me which one it was. Oh, and make sure it was an ad by the candidate not some 527 somewhere. Like when they morphed Bush into Hitler, that was a democrat 527 and it was negative. That is not what I am talking about. Please back up your statement with some examples."
Oh here we go, a token republican spewing their "values" and moral high road at the expense of our piss poor Louie Denaple asskissing canidates. If only we had a republican in every office everywhere would this country strive because then the invisible hand of the free market would cure all social ills.
A contrast piece different than negative? Please. So its ok to produce something like "Kerry is a child molesting communist, while Bush is an honest, moral leader"? I'm being Facetious, but you get my point. There were many of Bush ads that characterized Kerry as dangerously unqualified.
The overall point I was trying to make is that Chris is more like the ideal republican than democrat. What the hell would you call someone who attacks labor to no end, commodifies everything and punishes the poor? A republican. You took offense to that. Of course there are no real republicans in local elections. Not in Scranton anyway. Local politics are typically made up of democrats, or something like it. But again, local politics is a different world than national politics.
That is contrast and fact. Kerry DID vote for a 50 cent a gallon tax increase in the Senate. He did say he would scrap those provisons of the Patriot Act.
And, if you read the full article you will find "Kerry, too, has made his own misleading statements and exaggerations. For example, he said in a speech last week about Iraq: "They have gone it alone when they should have assembled a whole team." That is not true. There are about 25,000 allied troops from several nations, particularly Britain, in Iraq. Likewise, Kerry said several times last week that Bush has spent $80 million on negative and misleading ads -- a significant overstatement. Kerry also suggested several times last week that Bush opposed increasing spending on several homeland defense programs; in fact, Bush has proposed big increases in homeland security but opposed some Democratic attempts to increase spending even more in some areas. Kerry's rhetoric at rallies is also often much harsher and more personal than Bush's."
Give me a break. When someone uses someone's voting record against them, that is not negative it is educational as to how this person acts and what they really believe.
I am curious because there was no "Im chris doherty and i approve this message" after the misleading ad that suggested Gary was against purchasing police cars and fire equiptment. I thought the law was that canidates had to "approve" their ads. Is that just a law for national elections that don't apply to PA state local elections? Or is this one of those interest groups that sponsered it and thus they don't have to approve the message?
Chris Doherty is slipping in his own polls. In December he was far and away the leader against any potential candidates. By March he was ahead by about 30 points. In April something started to happen and his numbers have been declining since. Its desaparation time for team Doherty and they know it. Look for a mess of slop from the FISHWRAP after Thursdays Council meeting since nobody will be able to rebut it. Gary, Janet and Bill should call a special meeting on Monday evening so they can get the last word and allow speakers a chance to rebut the soon to be flying stories of slop. Also look for ringing endorsements of Hazzouri, Pocius and Sherry (I DID NOT RESPOND BECAUSE I AM AN UNEMPLOYED HAIRDRESSER) Fanucci. Something else I found very interesting about the council candidate bios in the fishwrap. Did you notice they said nothing about education? How can that be? I guess Starr Beauty Academy doesnt prepare you to be on council and when you are in the mayors pocket he will make sure the LIEnetts protect you at all costs. Tuesday is going to be a rude awakening for a lot of people from Team Doherty.
quote: Originally posted by: Milo Ferlicker "Chris Doherty is slipping in his own polls. In December he was far and away the leader against any potential candidates. By March he was ahead by about 30 points. In April something started to happen and his numbers have been declining since. Its desaparation time for team Doherty and they know it. Look for a mess of slop from the FISHWRAP after Thursdays Council meeting since nobody will be able to rebut it. Gary, Janet and Bill should call a special meeting on Monday evening so they can get the last word and allow speakers a chance to rebut the soon to be flying stories of slop. Also look for ringing endorsements of Hazzouri, Pocius and Sherry (I DID NOT RESPOND BECAUSE I AM AN UNEMPLOYED HAIRDRESSER) Fanucci. Something else I found very interesting about the council candidate bios in the fishwrap. Did you notice they said nothing about education? How can that be? I guess Starr Beauty Academy doesnt prepare you to be on council and when you are in the mayors pocket he will make sure the LIEnetts protect you at all costs. Tuesday is going to be a rude awakening for a lot of people from Team Doherty. "
Look around at all the GARY signs...
His support is growing every day, and I hope he can unseat this clown...
No, that would not be a contrast piece unless Kerry actually did that. Sorry if you can't grasp that. An example would be one person's vision on how to fix a problem vs another's. What you listed would be negative as it includes unfounded accusations and insinuations. Did you actually read the post?
quote: Originally posted by: Mr Wolfe the Cleaner "No, that would not be a contrast piece unless Kerry actually did that. Sorry if you can't grasp that. An example would be one person's vision on how to fix a problem vs another's. What you listed would be negative as it includes unfounded accusations and insinuations. Did you actually read the post?"
Are you STILL bent on this crazy notion that Kerry used negative ads while Bush didn't? What freaking planet do you live on? Note how history repeats itself and how Kerry--someone who actually served his country unlike well connected GWB-- was bashed not unlike the way McCain was in the carolina primary.
You argue that 527's don't count. They speak volumes of the type of people that support Bush.
quote: Originally posted by: AntisystemicMovements "I am curious because there was no "Im chris doherty and i approve this message" after the misleading ad that suggested Gary was against purchasing police cars and fire equiptment. I thought the law was that canidates had to "approve" their ads. Is that just a law for national elections that don't apply to PA state local elections? Or is this one of those interest groups that sponsered it and thus they don't have to approve the message? "
No, that is only for federal candidates. It would be nice for it to be extended.
quote: Originally posted by: AntisystemicMovements " Are you STILL bent on this crazy notion that Kerry used negative ads while Bush didn't? What freaking planet do you live on? Note how history repeats itself and how Kerry--someone who actually served his country unlike well connected GWB-- was bashed not unlike the way McCain was in the carolina primary. You argue that 527's don't count. They speak volumes of the type of people that support Bush. "
Look, I didn't say no one goes negative. I said to tell me where they did. And no, 527's don't count. They can't count because the Campaign Finance Law prohibits campaign coordiation. Sorry if a little thing like the law is in your way. Beyond that, I don't blame kerry for moveon.org's hitler morphing into bush commercials because they are a 527. So as far as what type of person I am, I am one that believes in the law and understands it.
quote: Originally posted by: Mr Wolfe the Cleaner "Look, I didn't say no one goes negative. I said to tell me where they did. And no, 527's don't count. They can't count because the Campaign Finance Law prohibits campaign coordiation. Sorry if a little thing like the law is in your way. Beyond that, I don't blame kerry for moveon.org's hitler morphing into bush commercials because they are a 527. So as far as what type of person I am, I am one that believes in the law and understands it."
I've given you data that supports the assertion that Bush uses negative ads. Don't let any of what I''ve quoted get iin the way of your belief that the moral President Bush is too righteous to go negative. Of course you're going to spew back a bunch of horse **** and suggest that the ads cited in the study were in fact "contrast" ads and not negative.
According to the washington post's calculation, Bush is negative in 75% of his advertising. In fact the name of the article is "unprecedented negativity." "Three-quarters of the ads aired by Bush's campaign have been attacks on Kerry. Bush so far has aired 49,050 negative ads in the top 100 markets, or 75 percent of his advertising. Kerry has run 13,336 negative ads -- or 27 percent of his total. "
TNS Media Intelligence/Campaign Media Analysis Group showing that 70 percent of Bush's 70,000 ads in the prior three months were "critical of Kerry," compared with only 25 percent of Kerry's 56,000 ads that "mention Bush." That's 49,000 negative ads from Bush, compared with only 14,000 from Kerry. Both USA Today ("Bush leads in negative ads, but Kerry has help") and The Washington Post ("From Bush, Unprecedented Negativity") have documented a similar trend while citing earlier data. Also, http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-05-17-negative-ad-analysis_x.htm
That is contrast and fact. Kerry DID vote for a 50 cent a gallon tax increase in the Senate. He did say he would scrap those provisons of the Patriot Act.
